It's a pretty silly game to play to try to even fight that fight. I think when we first met, we really connected on this idea of like, "What is even the right definition of it?" We were both presenting at Milan trying to give a definition for it. I think the serverless world is big and complicated. I'd love to just get your thoughts on that, just that complexity that we're now pushing towards the back end, and where you're trying to go with the front end. This is something where, I think, this idea of maybe I think you call it front-end serverless or serverless front-end is where you're trying to go with Vercel. That was or it seems to be the wrong approach, right? We want serverless to become easier. The last time I saw you, I was speaking about this idea where I felt like serverless was getting harder and harder and harder. Quarantine has lasted so long at this point that I can't keep track of time. Was it back in Milan, I think, right? Almost two years ago at this point, maybe it was last year. The last time, I think, we saw each other in person was back in. Jeremy: That's what I want to talk to you about today. Vercel focuses on making the lives of front-end developers really, really easy, allowing them to push their pages to our edge network, and have a very delightful serverless development experience.
Vercel is the platform for deploying projects like Next.js and many other frameworks. Guillermo: I'm the CEO and co-creator of Next.js, which is the React framework for front-end development and JAMstack development. Jeremy: You are the CEO of Vercel, which was formerly ZEIT, so I'd love it if you could tell the listeners a little bit about yourself, your background, and what Vercel is all about. Today, I'm speaking with Guillermo Rauch. I'm Jeremy Daly, and this is Serverless Chats. Prior to Node.js, he was a core developer of the MooTools frontend toolkit. Guillermo is also the creator of several popular Node.js open source libraries like socket.io, mongoose and slackin. About Guillermo RauchGuillermo Rauch is the CEO of Vercel, but before starting the company in 2015, he was CTO and co-founder of LearnBoost and Cloudup, acquired by Automattic in 2013.